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Diraker
02-23-2005, 09:40 AM
from the LA Times but reprinted here http://www.rense.com/general63/isouor.htm

bolds added by me

'Is Our Children Learning'
The Bill Of Rights?
No, They Isn't
By Bill Maher
2-22-5

A new survey found that a majority of high schoolers think newspapers should not be allowed to publish without government approval. And almost one in five said that Americans should be prohibited from expressing unpopular opinions.

Lemme tell you little darlings something: This is my livelihood you're messing with, so either learn the Bill of Rights or you don't deserve Social Security.

Now, to those of you who think I'm overreacting: Yes, I understand that when you're in high school you're still very young and that no one really cares what kids say anyway -- it's not like priests are dating you for your brains.

But the younger generation is supposed to rage against the machine, not for it; they're supposed to question authority, not question those who question authority.

And what's so frightening is that we're seeing the beginnings of the first post-9/11 generation -- the kids who first became aware of the news under an "Americans need to watch what they say" administration, the kids who've been told that dissent is un-American and therefore justifiably punished by a fine, imprisonment -- or the loss of your show on ABC.

President Bush once asked, "Is our children learning?" No -- they isn't. A more appropriate question might be, "Is our teachers teaching?" In four years, you can teach a gorilla sign language. Is it too much to ask that in the same amount of time a kid be taught what those crazy hippies who founded this country had in mind?

I know the Morals & Values folks want us to take time out of the school day for prayer and the Ten Commandments and abstinence training and at least two theories of evolution -- the one agreed upon by every scientist in the world and the one that involves naked ladies and snakes -- but, lest we forget, last month the people of Iraq risked death and danger to send a simple, inspiring message: America, get out of our country. But also, we want the freedoms you take for granted.

Now, I didn't mind being on the losing side of the last election. But as a loser, I guess I have some "unpopular" opinions -- and I'd like to keep them. I'd even like to continue to say them right out loud on TV, because if I just get up there every Friday night and spout the Bush administration's approved talking points, that's not freedom or entertainment. It's Fox News.

Bill Maher, host of HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher," wrote this article for the Los Angeles Times.

Roxie
02-23-2005, 09:44 AM
k ^_^

Gnioss
02-23-2005, 11:47 AM
I have no idea what "recent study" he's getting his facts from, or the validity of that study, but it sounds like exactly the opposite of what I see every day in the real world.

Diraker
02-23-2005, 12:37 PM
The study is real but the media blitz about it doesn't want to mention that these surveys follow adult patterns too. They also fail to mention that the numbers (as Gnioss noticed) are trending towards young people becoming MORE aware of the First Amendment.

Still, I think teaching the Consitution in school is important. And young people should be raging againt the machine. I hope the trend continues.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/sofa_reports/index.aspx

Gnioss, good job, nothing gets by you.

Kydorias
02-24-2005, 10:38 PM
Ah, so we should insist that adolescents conform to a certain mode of thinking, in this case "raging against the machine".

Sounds to me like telling kids what they should be thinking & doing is more anti-First Amendment than letting them believe and express what opinions they feel.

Diraker
02-24-2005, 10:49 PM
no, we should just insist that schools teach the BoR...let people make informed decisions

Kydorias
02-24-2005, 10:58 PM
That's not what I'm getting from his little essay. I'll repeat what you have already put in bold:

"But the younger generation is supposed to rage against the machine, not for it; they're supposed to question authority, not question those who question authority."

Sounds to me like someone is issuing a proclamation that kids should be thinking a certain way. Whether its to question authority or abide by it, its still insisting that a certain demographic think a certain way, which in my mind is anti-First Amendment.

Oh, and this ignorant little sentence pretty much makes his uneducated point of view irrelevant anyway:

"but, lest we forget, last month the people of Iraq risked death and danger to send a simple, inspiring message: America, get out of our country."

Seriously. What a moron.

Diraker
02-24-2005, 11:09 PM
I get what your saying. Maybe I should have bolded this part "dissent is un-American and therefore justifiably punished by a fine, imprisonment -- or the loss of your show on ABC. "

here, actually the 'essay' was from his show...I don't know if it was a skit on HBO or what?

http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/new_rules/20050218.html

I'm not really sure how it was turned into an essay in the LATimes.

And also I might be looking at the wrong study, this might be the one http://www.jideas.org/Knight%20fdtn%20report%20final.pdf

For me the study (or studies) is what's interesting, what Bill Maher has to say was just something to post other than a boring study. I figured someone might like Bill Maher in here. (or dislike him, enough to provoke discussion)

Mutt
02-24-2005, 11:29 PM
hes interesting, but opinionated. John Stewart is funnier, more informed and much more respectable.

Diraker
02-24-2005, 11:34 PM
I think Bill Maher is funnier, like comedy wise, but Jon Stewart does a better show and is more charismatic. The Daily Show is easily the best show on TV.

Diraker
03-02-2005, 02:44 PM
BBC article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4225013.stm