Huckabee, "amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards"

[Diraker]

This was linked on another forum...I don't know the website (I think it's actually a right wing site) but this link is directly to a video clip from Joe Scarborough's show on MSNBC.

http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/01/2008-01-15MSNBCMJ.wmv

Even Joe Scarborough and his sidekick were taken back by this comment. Words like "crackpot" were used and phrases like "breeching the wall of separation of church and state."

Anyway for anyone who thinks it's just talk and it'll never happen should realize that we are one supreme court justice away from the religious right getting their 5 - 4 majority.

Republicans, please take back your party.

[Roxie]

crackpot!

[Silver]

"breeching the wall of separation of church and state."

If this fucker is elected I will seriously consider moving to Canada or Australia.

[Diraker]

I certainly wouldn't classify Huckabee as "evil" but this famous quote is for Zilver.

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke (attributed to him anyway)

defeat, retreat

cut and run

etc

Dude, fight for your country!

[Roxie]

i just pooped

[Silver]

I certainly wouldn't classify Huckabee as "evil" but this famous quote is for Zilver.

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke (attributed to him anyway)

defeat, retreat

cut and run

etc

Dude, fight for your country!

I fight the Department of Justice, Department of State, and Department of Homeland Security for a living.

Right now we are moving towards a national I.D. card which will allow the government to track our movements: See: http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3926.html

"the passport card will contain a vicinity-read radio frequency identification (RFID) chip. This chip will link the card to a stored record in secure government databases."

Because my clients are 100% not from this Country virtually every single one of my phone calls (both professional and personal) are subject to possible FBI interception. I always operate under the assumption that all of my calls are tapped.

Trust me when I say that after 8 years of Bush's holy war (Christians v Muslims), if we elect a President that openly calls for the dissolution of the separation of church and state there won't be any Constitution left to fight for.

[Diraker]

hehe I know and I jest but I was more talking about fighting to get someone elected who respects the constitution and understands the importance of nominating rational judges. Not Ron Paul, ewww.

[Silver]

hehe I know and I jest but I was more talking about fighting to get someone elected who respects the constitution and understands the importance of nominating rational judges. Not Ron Paul, ewww.

Which candidate do you stand behind?

On the Republican side I will most likely vote for McCain if he gets the nod.

I can't see myself ever voting for Clinton, and I have about as much experience running this Country as YoMamma.

[Konrad]

Yeah...more and more I'm starting to dislike Huckabee, unfortunately there is no other candidate who is serious about tax reform and Ron Paul's foreign policy worries me.

[Diraker]

Of the republicans the only one that doesn't scare me is McCain. For the democrats IMO any the top three would be fine but I think I prefer Clinton. I really like her resiliency. My first choice is still Al Gore though.

[Mutt]

I can't see myself ever voting for Clinton, and I have about as much experience running this Country as YoMamma.like a president actually runs a country as complex as the US. You are just voting for a figurehead and the policies/ideals that head represents.

[Maj]

*jaw drop*

[Silver]

like a president actually runs a country as complex as the US. You are just voting for a figurehead and the policies/ideals that head represents.

The President dictates the image of the country.

Image is everything.

[Mutt]

The President dictates the image of the country.

Image is everything.True enough, but how much does that experience have to do with that image? There isnt really any job that can prepare someone to do all the aspects that the US president does, besides being the president. Being a senator or an admiral/general is probably the closest you can get but those only touch on one side of the role and the benefit of that experience in regards to tenure is logarithmic at best.

[Silver]

I was a leader of the Dreadlords.

I'm prepared.

*wink*

[Mutt]

lol

[Arnie]

Romney and Huckabee are definitely out for me.

Haven't decided between McCain or Thompson. I really like Thompson's domestic issues and McCain's foreign policy.

[waar]

Yeah, the only republican I'd probably vote for is McCain. Huckabee is a racist and a religious fundie nut, Romney is sleezy and also a religious fundie nut.

[Mutt]

Thompsons out, so all you got left is McCain now Arn

[Ablate]

And ron paul.

[Mourne]

I don't think there's any way Huckabee can win. I'm voting for Ron Paul, but not like he'll win either.

[Oakbone]

They all suck IMO... Wish Thompson never dropped out, or Newt would've jumped in.

The founding fathers warned about allegiance to any party. We see today on both sides more than ever that these politicians are putting the 'party' before their principles.

I might just sit this one out.

[Mutt]

At least vote Obama and keep the net neutral

[Konrad]

At least vote Obama and keep the net neutral

That's the unfortunate thing...everyone seems to believe Obama is a moderate candidate who is bringing new and fresh ideas to the table. That is absolutely bogus, he is farther to the left than Hillary is and all of his "new" ideas are mainly tried and failed policies.

EDIT: I've switched my vote over to McCain...he's got the right idea when it comes to National Security and I hope at least that he's changed his mind on some of his economic beliefs...I still despise his McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill. He is also pretty much a lock to beat out either Hillary or Obama, which is far more important than any minor differences on the Republican side.

[Silver]

That's the unfortunate thing...everyone seems to believe Obama is a moderate candidate who is bringing new and fresh ideas to the table. That is absolutely bogus, he is farther to the left than Hillary is and all of his "new" ideas are mainly tried and failed policies.

EDIT: I've switched my vote over to McCain...he's got the right idea when it comes to National Security and I hope at least that he's changed his mind on some of his economic beliefs...I still despise his McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill. He is also pretty much a lock to beat out either Hillary or Obama, which is far more important than any minor differences on the Republican side.

Obama may be tough to beat imo.

[Konrad]

He would be tough to beat if the Republicans put up Huckabee or Romney. McCain would carry a large majority of the Independents as well as a few moderate Democrats.

[Ablate]

Just remember, bushy is getting more crazy by the minute, I'm sure in 10 months he will do enough batshit insane things to make Mccain a real underdog.

[Mutt]

I wonder if the democrats will go for a Obama/Clinton Prez/Vice or a Clinton/Obama, depending on how the delegations turn out. I mean both are pretty high profile, and would garner much of the female and black vote simply due to those that will vote along those lines.

[Diraker]

Well it's been at least twice now that McCain has said during a debate that he'd appoint judges like Scalia and friends for the supreme court. IMO this is a huge red flag. One more supreme court justice and the Pat Robertsons of the country get their majority.

Anyway the GOP and RNC are pushing for Romney. Also IMO most people are sick of republican control so the democrats have the advantage this time around. Watch for Bush to try and make nice with people, look like he's non-partisan.

RL calls.

[Soulein]

In my opinion McCain is the only candidate on either side that has the qualifications to run the country from a foreign policy perspective. He knows the leaders in areas like Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and has basically gotten credit for the surge.

While I am not to keen on his attempts to solve the illegal immigration problem, I do give him credit for trying to do SOMETHING. I think with the recent mass rejection of the last initiative, he will focus solely on securing the borders.

His ability to work with Democrats and "get things done" is a positive point from my perspective, as the biggest criticism of Washington today, is that partisan politics polarizes the government. His environmentalism is also a positive attribute for me.

[Soulein]

Oh and McCain can easily beat Clinton, normally apathetic non-voters will turn out in droves to vote against her. Obama is the only real hope for the Democratic party of winning a General Election.

[Mutt]

Oh and McCain can easily beat Clinton, normally apathetic non-voters will turn out in droves to vote against her. Obama is the only real hope for the Democratic party of winning a General Election.I wouldnt say easily, but I agree in the sentiment

[Virt]

After last night's debate I'm leaning towards Obama (I was previously for Edwards because he had the most comprehensive policy plans of any candidate). One of the main reasons is that I think he would genuinely create one of the best cabinets that we've seen in half a century... or more. I believe him when he says he will put people into positions in the executive that are the best for the job, and not yes-men or people he owes favors to.

Like someone else said the tasks and responcibilities for the president are above what any one person can do, so you need a team of people really working to make the right decisions. That means you need people who can disagree with the president at times but who still retain his ear. I don't think anyone other than Obama would lead that kind of presidency.

Edit: oh an Huckabee's positions are f'n nuts! I'm glad he won't be the Republican nominee.

[Soulein]

Edit: oh an Huckabee's positions are f'n nuts! I'm glad he won't be the Republican nominee.

Have you seen his "Abolish the IRS" add? One might think he was going after part of Ron Paul's niche heh!

[Virt]

Have you seen his "Abolish the IRS" add? One might think he was going after part of Ron Paul's niche heh!Yeah, I guess you can make any promise you damned well please if you know you're not going to win, heh heh.

[Konrad]

I believe him when he says he will put people into positions in the executive that are the best for the job, and not yes-men or people he owes favors to.


What makes you believe him?

[Silver]

I'm voting for Captain Kirk.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5571/monicahs2.png

[Timestretch]

I'm voting for Captain Kirk.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5571/monicahs2.png

Hypothetical:

Who would win in 2012.

Captain Kirk vs. Gandalf vs. Yoda

[Silver]

Hypothetical:

Who would win in 2012.

Captain Kirk vs. Gandalf vs. Yoda

No contest

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1132/1199659277_d767ffa987.jpg

[Soulein]

Dude, Gandalf smokes weed... he can't be President!

[Virt]

What makes you believe him?That's an expansive question. :)

A lot of things I guess, but primarily because its been his MO in the past. I've read a few reports about how he likes to surround himself with people who are considered very knowledgable in their fields and get their advice on issues, using that to help base his opinion. More than that I know someone, a colleague/friend of my girlfriend, who was one of those people. They aren't ideologically alligned but he has on multiple occasions been asked to present their research on health care to Obama and his staff. Usually Congressmen rely on lobbiests to do this kind of stuff... but he has gone out of his way to get a less biased and "better" opinion. So I think as president, he would hold to his promise because it is essentially what he already does.



Oh, and Yoda would totally kick ass!

[Diraker]

For anyone who might be interested there's a good interview on politics, religion, and church state separation on Point of Inquiry this week.

http://www.pointofinquiry.org/edward_tabash_science_secularism_and_the_2008_pres idential_election/

[Roxie]

yoda