Tom Cruise's Scientology Indoctrination Video

[Timestretch]

This is some creepy shit.

http://defamer.com/344987/the-tom-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientologists-dont-want-you-to-see

[Forecast]

I only watched a portion before I had to turn it off to make some business calls... but that is fucking ridiculous. You can't tell me you didn't crack a smile, though.

[Ablate]

I watched this the other day, always seemed funny that a crazy scientologist is about on par with a bible thumping jesus freak, but a lot of people don't see that.

[Silver]

I watched this the other day, always seemed funny that a crazy scientologist is about on par with a bible thumping jesus freak, but a lot of people don't see that.

Coudn't agree more.

[Infuriare]

I was thinking the same, thing Ablate. This was pretty tame for an evangelism video.

[Forecast]

Look up the farting preacher videos.

Robert Tilton is either mad, or a great business man on his way to hell. I have seen that guy on TV, and I just laugh my ass off. Televangelism at its worst.

[Mutt]

I havent really looked much into scientology, but Tom Cruise thinks hes a protecting us from hostile aliens right?

[Dong]

I've seen people talk about their spouses, their kids, and even WoW like that.

It's not passion but the subject of it that should be judged.

[Elora]

He knows... he knows what he knows...

I don't mind passion. I love passion... in all its forms, I think it's great. I mind endless rambling that doesn't say anything. Pfft.

[Mourne]

Look up the farting preacher videos.

Robert Tilton is either mad, or a great business man on his way to hell. I have seen that guy on TV, and I just laugh my ass off. Televangelism at its worst.

LOL Robert Tilton is hilarious. "SEND IN YOUR 5000 DOLLAR VOWS!!"

[Gnioss]

Tom cruise is just acting. His hero is Micheal from the office, and this is his office season 5 audition tape.

[Forecast]

youtube the farting preacher series featuring him. i've seen 1 and 2, and 2 was hilarious. i think there are like 5 now... probably a bit repetitive, but who knows with all of his material.

[Diraker]

I watched the video and it didn't make much sense because it seemed like it was just a bunch of 10 second clips stuck together.

I agree with Dong. People are passionate about various things and I think it's important to judge the content rather than the messenger.

Anyway it seems to me that the content (ex: claims of Xenu, souls, the Truth) are no different than claims of virgin births, resurrections, winged horses, angels, spirits, prophecy, divine revelation, vicarious redemption through blood sacrifice, etc.

[Gnioss]

Nice. I knew the thread was going this way. The difference between scientology and Christianity is this: When I stopped going to catholic church nobody cared. They didn't try to sue me for talking about how crazy Christianity is. I gave them maybe a total of 5.00 the whole time I was a member. Scientology requires something like 300k? just to get to the level of knowing what the church dogma really is. Scientology is a cult. Christianity might have started off a cult of charisma, but it isnt anymore. Despite the similarly supernatural elements you're still much better off being a christian then a scientologist.

[Diraker]

Why are you focusing on Christianity? I tried to give examples of various religious claims. Anyway some sects of Christianity are very cult like. Jehovah's Witnesses for example shun people who leave. They don't do blood transfusion which gets children killed, etc. Same with many version of Judaism and Islam; leave your local group and you get shunned, shit in Islam apostasy can be punishable by death. Many sects also require tithing. Also when something (like say Scientology or whatever other religion) is very costly (in terms of money, time, energy etc) it just makes it that much more valuable to the individual. So when Tom Cruise gets all passionate about his particular cult it's partly because he so vested in it. "Forcing" people to spend a lot is actually a tactic religions use to keep people. Basic human psychology.

[Mutt]

Mormons also have some kind of book of records to record everyone who is part of the church and various add/remove rules depending on actions.

[Mourne]

Mormon's received gold, silver and bronze plates from an angel and then lost them. LAWL

[Slak]

In before Diraker comparison between scientology and Christianity

edit: damnit way too late

[Diraker]

I am the fifth person to comment about similarities. And I didn't even use mean words like bible thumping jesus freaks or anything. My main point in posting was to agree with Dong and Elora about passion. I even tried to use proper capitalizations. Whatever.

[Roxie]

I am the fifth person to comment about similarities. And I didn't even use mean words like bible thumping jesus freaks or anything. My main point in posting was to agree with Dong and Elora about passion. I even tried to use proper capitalizations. Whatever.

:orly:

[Mutt]

In before Diraker comparison between scientology and Christianity

edit: damnit way too lateDiraker pointed out a range of dogma's not just christian ones

[Slak]

We all know how these things work Mutt :smile_ok:

in all seriousness i meant no harm by it diraker, given ya sum luv

:pump

[Mourne]

Roxie, I stole your orly gif.

[Aradorn]

Anyway it seems to me that the content (ex: claims of Xenu, souls, the Truth) are no different than claims of virgin births, resurrections, winged horses, angels, spirits, prophecy, divine revelation, vicarious redemption through blood sacrifice, etc.

do not lump all Christians together because of you think they believe. I can knock point out the flaws in just about every denomination in the world using the bible.

Fact is Christianity has several "sects/denominations" which do not follow the bible the way they should and cast Christianity in a bad light. And while they might have a majority of the members, that does not make every Christian church bad. Where as Scientology has no sects and that makes the entire "religion" bad. (All the members of 1 versus 90% of 300 or whatever)....

[Diraker]

It's all magical thinking to me.

[Diraker]

btw play Travian!

[Mutt]

do not lump all Christians together because of you think they believe. I can knock point out the flaws in just about every denomination in the world using the bible.

Fact is Christianity has several "sects/denominations" which do not follow the bible the way they should and cast Christianity in a bad light. And while they might have a majority of the members, that does not make every Christian church bad. Where as Scientology has no sects and that makes the entire "religion" bad. (All the members of 1 versus 90% of 300 or whatever)....ok, but then doesnt each of those congregates believe they are one of the good ones? Not just christianity, but every church in general. I mean most people that attend a church do so because they believe they have the right path, do they not?

[Aradorn]

yes, what i was getting at was do not lump everyone together. What catholics believe is far from what many other denominations believe and is really far from what non-denominational churches like the Church of Christ believes.

[Mutt]

Again, so what? Diraker pointed out faith based componants of some religions. Sure some are more of a reach than others, but to those that believe in each they are held in the same high regard. Does having one belief set make one better than the other? Does it make one "right"?

[Splicer]

Religion has nothing to do with right or wrong. Beliefs in themselves can't be right or wrong because they can't be proven. What makes some religions harder to swallon (for me obviously) then others is their selective recruiting and hoops they make you jump through to leave. If you truely believe in your faith, wouldn't you freely accept anybody else who shares your views and be secure enough to let those who no longer believe what you do leave to explore other beliefs.

Active recruiting also creeps me out a little. But, I can understand that if you truely believe that if people don't believe what you do they'll go to hell and you should do everything you can to help others, that you'd therefore have to try and peacefully convince people to join you in your beliefs.

[Drekor]

Active recruiting also creeps me out a little. But, I can understand that if you truely believe that if people don't believe what you do they'll go to hell and you should do everything you can to help others, that you'd therefore have to try and peacefully convince people to join you in your beliefs.
I have a somewhat similar opinion on the active recruiting I think it odd but to me if you truly believe that people are going to go to hell if they don't straighten up then I'd work on proving that they'd go to hell not just tell them "you're going to hell". People are told to stop smoking or to keep lower cholesterol and wear their seatbelts but they are also given facts on why they should stop(mostly because if they don't the likelihood if them dieing is greatly increased based on factors X, Y and Z), they are not just told "You're going to die" then when they ask why the other person gets offended and says something along the lines of you don't need to question it, just know you're going to die.