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Diraker
03-06-2008, 11:36 AM
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/02/24/grape_expectations?mode=PF

Another decent mind/brain, psychology/neuroscience, biases article. This one is short too.

SCIENTISTS AT CALTECH and Stanford recently published the results of a peculiar wine tasting. They provided people with cabernet sauvignons at various price points, with bottles ranging from $5 to $90. Although the tasters were told that all the wines were different, the scientists were in fact presenting the same wines at different prices.

The subjects consistently reported that the more expensive wines tasted better, even when they were actually identical to cheaper wines.

The experiment was even more unusual because it was conducted inside a scanner - the drinks were sipped via a network of plastic tubes - that allowed the scientists to see how the subjects' brains responded to each wine. When subjects were told they were getting a more expensive wine, they observed more activity in a part of the brain known to be involved in our experience of pleasure.

What they saw was the power of expectations. People expect expensive wines to taste better, and then their brains literally make it so. Wine lovers shouldn't feel singled out: Antonio Rangel, the Caltech neuroeconomist who led the study, insists that he could have used a variety of items to get similar results, from bottled water to modern art.

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Nevertheless, scientists insist that consumers can take steps to protect themselves from their expectations. "Try to fact-check yourself," Shiv says. "Organize a blind taste test. Experiment with generic cold medicines, but don't let yourself know that they are generic. Decide how you feel about a pair of shoes before you look at the price tag." Shiv is convinced that this kind of self-experimentation can save consumers money. Instead of trusting big-name brands, or naively assuming that we always get what we pay for, consumers can learn to bargain hunt.

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To me, these sort of experiments not only apply to consumerism but how folk interpret reality in general. Sometimes it takes effort and an understanding of "tricks" the mind plays on you to really see what's out there. Objectivity is something people must practice and work on.

Elad
03-06-2008, 12:37 PM
Interesting. I was on a car trip a couple weeks ago and this guy was talking about how this 5-10 dollar wine won all these awards recently over all the really expensive ones

Mourne
03-07-2008, 02:34 AM
I've heard of this sort of experiment before. I even saw one done on that Penn & Teller show "Bullshit". They did it with water though. They used garden hose water and put it into glasses and people were all ranting about how crisp and clear this one was compared to that one. :insane:

Ablate
03-07-2008, 03:08 AM
A good wine is a good wine, regardless of price. Same goes for bad ones too. I mean any day of the week I'll take a nice spanish Cava over real Champagne... 10 bucks a bottle vs 60.

Mourne
03-07-2008, 03:34 AM
It's all about the Riuniti! (sp?) $7.99 red wine!

Diraker
03-07-2008, 10:57 AM
When I was younger I worked for many years at a liquor store so it was sort of my job to try the various wines. For me, regarding wine, it's more about smoothness (as in not being harsh) than taste.

And here's Penn and Teller doing the bottled water thing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6769966377964903559&q=penn+teller+water&total=23&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

and something similar with food.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7769401428701514111&q=penn+teller+restaurant&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0